Funny Valentine and Johnny Joestar (Tusk Act 4 and Love train included) vs Goku (SS3) Vegeta(SS2) and Broly (SS)

Gio Gio wrote:I'm not trying to fight but when someone keeps denying things and providing no proof on what they claim or provide something irrelevant then that can get very annoying.

you said they haven't hax resistance then I proved you wrong then you said they haven't deal with the love train and D4C, well of course they haven't ,that only exist in JJBA -_-
Regardless their ki allowed them to have hax resistance .
Example you don't see picolo tranaformaing majin buu into a sword . if it wasn't for their speed I would say Jojo team wins ,but for now IMO Z team wins

Akronawol17 wrote:Omni, don't use words like pathetic for people in a debate, it just starts fights. Same goes for smh.

Also, i will not lock the thread yet. There is no reason to, as long as the battle is debatable. Just keep this civil guys, or agree to disagree. Just stop fighting.

youre right I'm.sorry.

You didn't prove me wrong.
You have yet to show them dealing with anything on LT or D4C's level they don't deal with hax sir.

Gio Gio wrote:You didn't prove me wrong.
You have yet to show them dealing with anything on LT or D4C's level they don't deal with hax sir.

time manipulation and space manipulation isn't on their lvl? I doubt that

Edit: and yes I proved you wrong because you said they didn't have Hax resistance.

Time and space?
That's not what D4C or LT are about o.o
LT is a defense a phenomenon if you will.
And D4C is all about dimensional hax bringing back two people who will collide and explode.

Gio Gio wrote:Time and space?
That's not what D4C or LT are about o.o
LT is a defense a phenomenon if you will.
And D4C is all about dimensional hax bringing back two people who will collide and explode.

I didn't say that it was about time and space. I said that Z cast had resistance to that, so their hax being above time and space like you implied is wrong. Dimensional hax? That's good but what gives if gets speedblitzed? Defense phenomenon ? Interesting but has it work with guys who can destroy solar systems by just raw power?

Now you're trying to say they destroy solar systems.
And now show such resistance.
You can't show Paradoxing from existence resistance nor them getting past LT.
Which can and will redirect misfortune elsewhere.
That powerful blast could hit someone elsewhere or it could hit someone right next to them.
And it also makes the tiniest of wounds fatal.

Gio Gio wrote:Now you're trying to say they destroy solar systems.
And now show such resistance.
You can't show Paradoxing from existence resistance nor them getting past LT.
Which can and will redirect misfortune elsewhere.
That powerful blast could hit someone elsewhere or it could hit someone right next to them.
And it also makes the tiniest of wounds fatal.

so his phenomenon defense has never worked with guys that can destroy solar system, OK

Broly will die though he will try to fight and by default will touch him and be paradox. But that trick only work once on the Saiyans. They are smart and will use long range ki blast attacks. Or just kill the guy with the hax and problem solved.

No one from DBZ has any sort of way to get past Love Train, which doesn't need activation it's an automatic phenomenal defense with no specified range. It puts Funny V and D4C and a dimensional gap which sends away all misfortune, leaving only good fortune.
To get pass it you not only need something that can pass dimensions, you also need to back it up with infinite energy.
And there's D4C, which can erase any entity from existence as long as it brings to another dimension which contains another version of said entity. In JJBA, two of the same being cannot exist simultaneously in the same dimension, if they did both of them would be erased from existence.
While Love Train is repelling all misfortune, Funny V can jump to a parallel dimension, bring a copy of any of these guys and erase them from existence one by one, and they're not blitzing him, his stand is FTL+.

Yes because the Ki blasts will not be getting redirected elsewhere yes?

Exactly what he said.
Also the whole thing of LT they won't be getting any blitzing done and Johnny no longer needs the horse for Tusk Act 4 its just with him now.
So to them he'll just be a guy in a wheelchair.
Once he shoots one of those nails they're screwed.

Gio Gio wrote:Yes because the Ki blasts will not be getting redirected elsewhere yes?

Broly will just blow up the planet for shit and giggles , that killed their planetary range .Nah he will just speedblitz

Yep, I finally remembered that since I recently reread Ball Breaker, Break your heart, and D4C arcs.

If Johnny shoots his nails with Tusk ACT 4 he mega solos. Infinite damage + Infinite speed + gravitational pull that can affect multiverses.

EVA_01 wrote:Yep, I finally remembered that since I recently reread Ball Breaker, Break your heart, and D4C arcs.

If Johnny shoots his nails with Tusk ACT 4 he mega solos. Infinite damage + Infinite speed + gravitational pull that can affect multiverses.

Yus.
However no one seems to get this.
And Anti took Medaka Box verse off of Gio's victories claiming Ajimu is a higher level entity.
Wat

Ajimu? Didn't she have some plot manipulating powers?

Lol she had quadrillions of powers that she never showed.
Her best feat was blowing up a star literally.
However with MB NLF is accepted,

The things I heard about her are absolutely crazy. Changing the genre of the manga and what not.
Honestly I'm not knowledgeable enough on her to call it.

Yeah here's the thread if you'd like to take a look Funny V also soloed.
http://www.moviecodec.com/general/giorno-giovanna-vs-medaka-box-verse-352290/
Got heated but as you can see NLF at an all time high.

Gio Gio wrote:You aren't speedblitzing love train lol
And you seem to forget that DBZ characters can't see stands and also the fact that a scratch on the arm can=A scratch to the heart.
When it redirects misfortune it can also redirect attacks and again.
Infinite rotation that attacks all dimensions>Planet busting.
And you'd need to show that Love Train has a range which it doesn't. And its not NLF that's literally what it does its a phenomenon.
And if it redirects the planet will be fine like I said what it took to take him out was an infinite rotation.
And you seem to be under the impression that Goku vegeta or broly would be blowing up the planet.

DBZ character's don't need to see that Stands lol, if they blow up everything around them they get the user, fact is, none of the Stands here can hurt the duo aside from Act 4 which is too slow, D$C needs to got hrough another dimension and find an alternate version of Goku and Brolly that isn't nearly as strong as the current ones to win, it takes time, time he does not have. Funny Valentine wont have the ability to put a scratch on Goku or Broly.

Act 4 could potentially punch through a ki blast but multiple ki blast from both Broly and Goku? No, he's getting tagged and they are getting destroyed. You realize Stands have a HUGE limit, such as range, right?

Also Steel Ball Run was araki's retcon after things got too powerful in part 6, Stands ar enot even FTL anymore, MAYBE Diego from antoher universe if we say his stats are equal to The World's in part 3, but D4C has single digit mach speed, it was barley avoiding Johnny's nail bullets and Gyro's steel ball. And agian, the range for Love Trian is global, Valentine cements this:

It pushes it to far away places "On this Earth"

"Shot somewhere else in this world"

The misfortune is carried as far away as possible, the limit was the other side of the planet to someone else, if they are n more people to take the misfortune? Valentine has nothing to redirect and he and Johnny die. It has been stated even on the wikia the Love train works on a global scale, only time manipulation Stands works universally, and Ringo's people were still aware of. Love Train is planet level, Broly easily decimates him.

Also, Love Train has shown no ability to defend against telekenetic attacks, something higher tier DBZ characters can do



Now YOU have to prove Love Train is universal, the misfortune, by defintion is suppossed to be sent as far away as possible from Valaentine or those within the light, if it was universal it would have been sent to the other side of the universe or another planet.

Valentine is also faar too slow here, Diego was easily dodging his attacks, Valentine's ability was said to be equal to his Stand and yet:


Yet Diego could dodge about 4 of them including D4C itself, but was caught off guard and blitzed by Wekapipo, someone barley superhuman via scaling


Gyro also dodged and surprise attack from D4C


Valentine must also come out from his barrier to harm anyone and he was almost hit by both Gyro's ball and Johnny's nail. Goku and Broly both blitz him easily as he would likely start by trying to shoot them since he has no knowledge. You are right, it is a phenomenon- a Global phenomenon. Broly or Goku would acceidently blow up the planet if they fired a blast at them, thus killing Johnny and Valentine. Also, broly would not care about blowing up the planet. He was blowing up planets for fun in his teenage years, the only reaosn he did not blow up the planet in th emovie was because of Goku and wanting to get revenge, also his father had him under control for some time.

Valentine loses this badly, I provided the proof need, now you gotta prove it is universal, otherwise he, Johnny, and the planet get nuked. Also stop requesting a lock after a single argument, some people have to work or are busy, give at least 24 hours before asking for a lock.

Gio Gio wrote:Yeah here's the thread if you'd like to take a look Funny V also soloed.
http://www.moviecodec.com/general/giorno-giovanna-vs-medaka-box-verse-352290/
Got heated but as you can see NLF at an all time high.

Gio solos anything not above universal, also that same site said Novel kars loses to Beyonder, i agree, but it seems that the site doesn't always agree with you.
Also, ONE guy said Funny solos and he admitted he never even read Medaka box... lol.

Must be talking bout Spods he did read it.
And using NLF of course they'd win.
And what's range to Funny V?
I mean again paradoxing from existence.
And of course they don't agree and I believe Kars would defeat Beyonder but agree to disagree.
Gio stomps MB same with Funny V.

And again you ignored my argument on Funny V redirecting things.
And blowing up the planet wouldn't help here since as I said a blast can go elsewhere.
Global scale? You're right but what's stopping it from going to other dimensions.
And saying he'd be blitzed is nonsense only a stand can harm a stand notice Funny V didn't leave it D4C did why would funny V step out of it?

And again saying >Blitz
FTL+ stand man for D4C its unknown for Tusk act 4.
So moot point with blitzing.
And they won't blow up the planet though is the thing they get close and they get paradoxed its quite simple.
And you say prove its universal. You could say that for GER too but then you'd have to prove KC is a universal stand which concepts exist everywhere they aren't scaled.

Time manipulation Stands are universal, stated by araki in an interview that i can link you to if you want. D4C is not FLT, hell Lucy even stabbed him in the neck and almost killed him if not for the chair being there by luck. The misfortune goes somewhere else on the globe, if the globe is destroyed the misfortune can not be redirected, he will be caught up in the blast, or just left to die in space and suffers the kars or Magenta Magenta treatment, Johnnyis a non factor since they would have to get close, neither Johnny nor Valentine have shown resitance to telepathy even with Love Train which only has a limited defense against physical harm. Broly in LSSJ was firing off ki blast just as a demonstartion and then blew up a planet. He was only roughing up Goku due to his grudge.

Funny Valaneinte has never shown the ability to send attacks toa nother dimension, he needs to put things in an inclosed space, hence why he needs the flag, in order to send the ki blast away he would need to step out of Love Train which would get him killed immediately. I'm having a hard time seeing Valentine having the speed and accuracy necessary to trap a ki blast in the flag to send it off to another dimension, let alone a barrage of them.

Ah, yes, the only a stand can harm a stand, yes I suppose you could argue NLF, but for the sake of argument let's say you are correct(Even though The World was still afected by Hamon and sunlight, and D'bo was able to cut silver chariot with a razor), it wont matter, the user's are still human, even if D4C stood in front of the blast the area of effect would still go around and destroy Valentine and Johnny, that's kinda why Dio dropping a steam roller was a big deal, You also forget, Love Train is NOT Funny Valentine's stand, it's Lucy's as such is would attempt to protect her more than Johnny or Valentine, if Broly reshapes the planet then Lucy get's seperated from the duo, thus leaving them exposed then they get nuked. Valentine needs time to use D4C, and jsut summoning an alternate version does not immediately blow them up, the have to meet and make contact with each other, also, the alternate version don't serve valentine, in addition, he would need to summon a version of them weak enough not to kill him immediately and thus nothing is stopping Broly from blowing him and his alternate version up when they come back. Also, Valentine and Johnny would have to stick side by side, , Johnny needs to move around or be a sitting duck, one of them will need to leave Love Train sooner or later.

Also, i already proved D4C is not anywhere close to FTL, he is single digit mach speed at best, Stands in SBR are slow by Jojo standards.

The only way they can win is if one of the duo decides to get close AND give Valentine enough time to find an alternate version of them weak enough to bi=ring out then make them get into close contact (Even then Diego was able to escape by going through the flag back into the other dimension before being destroyed so Goku should be able to simply IT then figure out not to get close.)

Also, you know Lucy herself can still be touched and affected like normal, Gyro and Johnny were able to pick her up and carry her away no problem, is Lucy is blown away by a shockwave or whatever, then no Love Train for the duo.

And again Love Train is only global,


Broly solos and one shots. The only way he doesn't is if you want to make the argument that he gets in close so Johnny hits him with act 4 and Valentine gets him with another universe self, but then Goku will see Broly get blown up and start from afar, or just the other way around. But that is one scenario out of the 10 Goku and Broly win.

The Saiyns win 8/10